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		<title>By: Andrew Coler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Coler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 22:55:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am the father of Hannah Coler.  Unicare and GIC has said &quot;no&quot; based on the procedure being  “experimental” or “investigational”.  

Without treatment Hannah has a 50% chance of being alive at 5 years. If she is a participant in the study her odds go up dramatically. In the Northeast site 50 out of 52 patients who participated in the study have had success with the treatment. Nationally 80% who receive the stem cell treatment got better, greater than 50% from the Cytoxan arm. What makes the Cytoxin arm much more effective then the conventional therapy is the dose and the duration in which it is given. Finally the SCOT study has been in phase 3 for over three years 

She is not seeking coverage for “investigational”
or “experimental” treatment but rather a life saving and life changing treatment.
The fact of the matter is that the only
“investigational” aspect of SCOT, is a comparison of the two already proven effective therapies, Cytoxan (Tashkin, NEJM 2006) and
Autologous Stem Cell Transplant (Nash, Blood 2007).  The effectiveness of both Cytoxan and Autologous Stem Cell Transplant,for the treatment of Systemic Sclerosis, has already been established.
 The SCOT study simply seeks to investigate which of these treatments is the most effective!  

Finally, there is at least eight years of supporting evidents of the SCOT study effectiveness and  many insurance companies such as United Health Care, Blue Cross/ Blue Shield, Cigna recognize that the research supstantiates the ethicacy  of the treatment.

Andrew</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am the father of Hannah Coler.  Unicare and GIC has said "no" based on the procedure being  “experimental” or&nbsp;“investigational”.  </p>
<p>Without treatment Hannah has a 50% chance of being alive at 5 years. If she is a participant in the study her odds go up dramatically. In the Northeast site 50 out of 52 patients who participated in the study have had success with the treatment. Nationally 80% who receive the stem cell treatment got better, greater than 50% from the Cytoxan arm. What makes the Cytoxin arm much more effective then the conventional therapy is the dose and the duration in which it is given. Finally the SCOT study has been in phase 3 for over three&nbsp;years </p>
<p>She is not seeking coverage for “investigational”<br />
or “experimental” treatment but rather a life saving and life changing treatment.<br />
The fact of the matter is that the only<br />
“investigational” aspect of SCOT, is a comparison of the two already proven effective therapies, Cytoxan (Tashkin, NEJM 2006) and<br />
Autologous Stem Cell Transplant (Nash, Blood 2007).  The effectiveness of both Cytoxan and Autologous Stem Cell Transplant,for the treatment of Systemic Sclerosis, has already been established.<br />
 The SCOT study simply seeks to investigate which of these treatments is the most&nbsp;effective!  </p>
<p>Finally, there is at least eight years of supporting evidents of the SCOT study effectiveness and  many insurance companies such as United Health Care, Blue Cross/ Blue Shield, Cigna recognize that the research supstantiates the ethicacy  of the&nbsp;treatment.</p>
<p>Andrew</p>
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		<title>By: Akula</title>
		<link>http://www.granbymass.net/health-care/6717/comment-page-1/#comment-1264</link>
		<dc:creator>Akula</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 23:01:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;If countries like France and, I think, Germany, or England, for that matter, are any indication, even a single payer insurance plan wouldn&#039;t outlaw supplementary or private insurance.&quot;

No. Such options may merely be priced out of existence in their efforts to compete with a government program that can always change the cost-benefit rules as it sees fit, since it ultimately will have no genuine &quot;bottom line&quot; to which it need answer. Never mind the inequity present in a new health care system that would tax all for a program that may not meet everyone&#039;s needs. Otherwise, why would a person need any &quot;supplementary&quot; insurance at all?

&quot;If any public option makes it through Congress, it will be insuring people who would otherwise have no health insurance.&quot;

Ahh, and there&#039;s the rub. The definition of &quot;have no health insurance&quot; is key in this context. Conservative estimates (no pun intended) put the true number of Americans who are uninsured -- because they genuinely can&#039;t afford it -- at 9, perhaps 10 million. The problem with the 35+ and 45+ million figures is that by subterfuge they include both individuals who aren&#039;t citizens as well as the vast number of Americans who CAN afford health coverage but for their own reasons choose NOT to purchase it.

&quot;Whether it turns out to be better than no health care remains to be seen . . .&quot;

True that.

You seem an erudite and learned individual and I would disdain putting words in your mouth. You don&#039;t come straight out and say it but I would deign to wager that you are, in the overall, in favor of government-run health care legislation. Contrarily, I posit that nearly ALL of the needs of the (genuinely) currently-uninsured could be met far more effectively were the forces of the market truly unleashed in this segment of the economy. The fact that we see no (serious) discussion in this direction -- permitting insurance company competition across state lines; establishing and enabling individual health care savings accounts; providing health insurance tax benefits to individuals and the self-employed identical to those granted to businesses -- tells me that this current effort is not truly about health care reform as much as it&#039;s about increasing the rolls of a dependent class, marginalizing (and eventually driving out of business) providers of private health insurance, and increasing the number of unionized workers in this country (which, outside of the government sector, currently stands at an all-time low).


&quot;As you&#039;ll see from my next post on the GIC, my motive is mainly political and part of a larger fight . . .&quot;

True -- this I could not have known. Further, I wish to state that I&#039;m not without feelings for the person referenced in the Gazette story. My visceral reaction would have been similar to yours -- but if the solution to this problem is analogous to both of us coming upon a trail diverging in the woods. I guess you could say that while you maybe chose the path on the left, I chose the right one. ;-)

Peace.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"If countries like France and, I think, Germany, or England, for that matter, are any indication, even a single payer insurance plan wouldn't outlaw supplementary or private&nbsp;insurance."</p>
<p>No. Such options may merely be priced out of existence in their efforts to compete with a government program that can always change the cost-benefit rules as it sees fit, since it ultimately will have no genuine "bottom line" to which it need answer. Never mind the inequity present in a new health care system that would tax all for a program that may not meet everyone's needs. Otherwise, why would a person need any "supplementary" insurance at&nbsp;all?</p>
<p>"If any public option makes it through Congress, it will be insuring people who would otherwise have no health&nbsp;insurance."</p>
<p>Ahh, and there's the rub. The definition of "have no health insurance" is key in this context. Conservative estimates (no pun intended) put the true number of Americans who are uninsured -- because they genuinely can't afford it -- at 9, perhaps 10 million. The problem with the 35+ and 45+ million figures is that by subterfuge they include both individuals who aren't citizens as well as the vast number of Americans who CAN afford health coverage but for their own reasons choose NOT to purchase&nbsp;it.</p>
<p>"Whether it turns out to be better than no health care remains to be seen . .&nbsp;."</p>
<p>True&nbsp;that.</p>
<p>You seem an erudite and learned individual and I would disdain putting words in your mouth. You don't come straight out and say it but I would deign to wager that you are, in the overall, in favor of government-run health care legislation. Contrarily, I posit that nearly ALL of the needs of the (genuinely) currently-uninsured could be met far more effectively were the forces of the market truly unleashed in this segment of the economy. The fact that we see no (serious) discussion in this direction -- permitting insurance company competition across state lines; establishing and enabling individual health care savings accounts; providing health insurance tax benefits to individuals and the self-employed identical to those granted to businesses -- tells me that this current effort is not truly about health care reform as much as it's about increasing the rolls of a dependent class, marginalizing (and eventually driving out of business) providers of private health insurance, and increasing the number of unionized workers in this country (which, outside of the government sector, currently stands at an all-time&nbsp;low).</p>
<p>"As you'll see from my next post on the GIC, my motive is mainly political and part of a larger fight . .&nbsp;."</p>
<p>True -- this I could not have known. Further, I wish to state that I'm not without feelings for the person referenced in the Gazette story. My visceral reaction would have been similar to yours -- but if the solution to this problem is analogous to both of us coming upon a trail diverging in the woods. I guess you could say that while you maybe chose the path on the left, I chose the right one. <img src='http://www.granbymass.net/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Peace.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Bail</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Bail</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 15:41:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your reasoning is spot on. I don&#039;t know about far, far more rationing, but I&#039;ll agree to my reasoning being sloppy. If countries like France and, I think, Germany, or England, for that matter, are any indication, even a single payer insurance plan wouldn&#039;t outlaw supplementary or private insurance. If any public option makes it through Congress, it will be insuring people who would otherwise have no health insurance. Whether it turns out to be better than no health care remains to be seen, but my money&#039;s on people with no insurance being happier and healthier. [I edited this comment Saturday night].

As you&#039;ll see from my next post on the GIC, my motive is mainly political and part of a larger fight on behalf of Granby and Hampshire County. Just as federal health insurance reform  could complicate Massachsetts&#039; and Hawaii&#039;s intiatives, moving municipal employees into the GIC may be not be the money saver our legislature thinks. Our Hampshire County of Governments has an insurance program that beats the GIC&#039;s costs and prices.

Thanks for your comments.

Mark</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your reasoning is spot on. I don't know about far, far more rationing, but I'll agree to my reasoning being sloppy. If countries like France and, I think, Germany, or England, for that matter, are any indication, even a single payer insurance plan wouldn't outlaw supplementary or private insurance. If any public option makes it through Congress, it will be insuring people who would otherwise have no health insurance. Whether it turns out to be better than no health care remains to be seen, but my money's on people with no insurance being happier and healthier. [I edited this comment Saturday&nbsp;night].</p>
<p>As you'll see from my next post on the GIC, my motive is mainly political and part of a larger fight on behalf of Granby and Hampshire County. Just as federal health insurance reform  could complicate Massachsetts' and Hawaii's intiatives, moving municipal employees into the GIC may be not be the money saver our legislature thinks. Our Hampshire County of Governments has an insurance program that beats the GIC's costs and&nbsp;prices.</p>
<p>Thanks for your&nbsp;comments.</p>
<p>Mark</p>
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		<title>By: Akula</title>
		<link>http://www.granbymass.net/health-care/6717/comment-page-1/#comment-1259</link>
		<dc:creator>Akula</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 23:50:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Had to chime in on this.

Based on what you&#039;ve written here (and the way you&#039;ve written it) you seem to be implying that you&#039;re in favor of the &quot;health care reform&quot; currently being considered by Congress. Further, you attempt to make a connection with what you call the health care rationing in the &quot;private&quot; sector. So, I assume your position is that the fears about the currently-tabled health care reform and how it will lead to excessive &quot;rationing&quot; are unwarranted . . . because we already have rationing?

Yet you cite an article about the Group Insurance Commission -- an entity set up to provide health coverage to state workers while attempting to limit the cost of same -- as your example? You can&#039;t be serious. By excerpting the Gazette article are you really proffering the idea that a &quot;commission&quot;, which was set-up by the Legislature (government), and which is currently denying coverage for a procedure to a covered member, is going to bolster your contention that we NEED health care reform of the type currently being debated in Congress? The type of health care &quot;reform&quot; which will almost certainly lead to . . . more rationing?

This post of yours makes no sense. Incredibly, the very article you excerpt provides evidence, if not outright proof, that the position you have taken is untenable. After all, if the THREE private insurers noted provide coverage for this procedure, and what is essentially a government-run &quot;commission&quot; doesn&#039;t, how is that possibly an indictment of the &quot;rationing&quot; that goes on in the private sector and simultaneously an endorsement of the morass that awaits us all (including far, far more rationing) if any of the current versions of health care &quot;reform&quot; actually pass?

Again, if I&#039;ve misinterpreted your intent please feel free to clear it up for me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Had to chime in on&nbsp;this.</p>
<p>Based on what you've written here (and the way you've written it) you seem to be implying that you're in favor of the "health care reform" currently being considered by Congress. Further, you attempt to make a connection with what you call the health care rationing in the "private" sector. So, I assume your position is that the fears about the currently-tabled health care reform and how it will lead to excessive "rationing" are unwarranted . . . because we already have&nbsp;rationing?</p>
<p>Yet you cite an article about the Group Insurance Commission -- an entity set up to provide health coverage to state workers while attempting to limit the cost of same -- as your example? You can't be serious. By excerpting the Gazette article are you really proffering the idea that a "commission", which was set-up by the Legislature (government), and which is currently denying coverage for a procedure to a covered member, is going to bolster your contention that we NEED health care reform of the type currently being debated in Congress? The type of health care "reform" which will almost certainly lead to . . . more&nbsp;rationing?</p>
<p>This post of yours makes no sense. Incredibly, the very article you excerpt provides evidence, if not outright proof, that the position you have taken is untenable. After all, if the THREE private insurers noted provide coverage for this procedure, and what is essentially a government-run "commission" doesn't, how is that possibly an indictment of the "rationing" that goes on in the private sector and simultaneously an endorsement of the morass that awaits us all (including far, far more rationing) if any of the current versions of health care "reform" actually&nbsp;pass?</p>
<p>Again, if I've misinterpreted your intent please feel free to clear it up for&nbsp;me.</p>
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